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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://blog.nigelpoulton.com/more-tape-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found when taking new tapes out of the case that there is so much static-cling on the tape case that the labels and instructions actually cling to them.&#160; In the past I&#039;ve actually had to exert some real effort to separate the two.I can see making that mistake putting tapes into a library, there is nothing in the library slots to break the paper through.&#160; Then of course the robot grabs the tape, with the label still sticking to it and slides it into the drive..&#160; It&#039;s not until the drives intake mechanism takes over that the paper actually interferes.Good one though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found when taking new tapes out of the case that there is so much static-cling on the tape case that the labels and instructions actually cling to them.&nbsp; In the past I&#8217;ve actually had to exert some real effort to separate the two.I can see making that mistake putting tapes into a library, there is nothing in the library slots to break the paper through.&nbsp; Then of course the robot grabs the tape, with the label still sticking to it and slides it into the drive..&nbsp; It&#8217;s not until the drives intake mechanism takes over that the paper actually interferes.Good one though.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel (mackem)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel (mackem)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;Hi Stephen, no it definitely wasn&#8217;t me who loaded that tape &#8211; but good ask!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;I worked for a company not so long ago who had its DR site at an IBM data centre. &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&#160;&lt;/span&gt;They owned zero kit there, it was all loaned and in fact shared with other companies. &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&#160;&lt;/span&gt;The hope was that two companies who required the same pieces of kit didn&#8217;t have a disaster at the same time :-D&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;They had two long weekends every year where they all went off to the DR site and rebuilt their core systems, and had a good time doing it. &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&#160;&lt;/span&gt;I don&#8217;t work there anymore but I still have some of the guys on my MSN list and see every once in a while that a few of them are showing their status as busy and on site at the DR site.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&#160; &lt;/span&gt;I assume they are still doing their twice-annual trip to the DR site and rebuilding everything from scratch.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;I imagine they are very proficient at the exercise now.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;Although this may seem a bit archaic compared to active active sites (may be even 3DC) with synchronous replication etc&#8230;&#8230;. the fact that they practice regularly and document the exercise so well, they are in fact better prepared than most companies Ive seen. &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&#160;&lt;/span&gt;I know a few companies who have stricter requirements but would not have a clue what to do in an emergency.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Hi Stephen, no it definitely wasn&rsquo;t me who loaded that tape &ndash; but good ask!<o :p></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I worked for a company not so long ago who had its DR site at an IBM data centre. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>They owned zero kit there, it was all loaned and in fact shared with other companies. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>The hope was that two companies who required the same pieces of kit didn&rsquo;t have a disaster at the same time <img src='http://blog.nigelpoulton.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> <o :p></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">They had two long weekends every year where they all went off to the DR site and rebuilt their core systems, and had a good time doing it. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>I don&rsquo;t work there anymore but I still have some of the guys on my MSN list and see every once in a while that a few of them are showing their status as busy and on site at the DR site.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>I assume they are still doing their twice-annual trip to the DR site and rebuilding everything from scratch.<o :p></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I imagine they are very proficient at the exercise now.<o :p></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><o :p></o>Although this may seem a bit archaic compared to active active sites (may be even 3DC) with synchronous replication etc&hellip;&hellip;. the fact that they practice regularly and document the exercise so well, they are in fact better prepared than most companies Ive seen. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>I know a few companies who have stricter requirements but would not have a clue what to do in an emergency.<o :p></o></span></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen2615</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen2615</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel,
Great respect eh?&#160; I have&#160;a lot of respect for myself so does that mean you did it?&#160;
But seriously, back in the days when I did my one and only backup work (about 1997), I was using Legato Networker and I used one DLT 4000 tape per day to backup my UNIX systems. &#160;As a precaution in case of needing to recover the data in a DR situation, I used to print off the bootstrap information and put it with the tape inside the case.&#160; This tape was given to our data management person who managed the other tapes for things like Windows, etc.&#160;
I was working for a very large and successful stock broking firm at that time and the data was needless to say very important.&#160; So, as we spent a lot of money on our DR solution, we decided to test it one day.&#160; We called back yesterdays tape and I started building the fresh DR system which meant installing Networker.&#160; Our DR site was an outsourced green fields site with nothing on the systems. I got the tape and there was no paper inside the cover.&#160; This made it difficult to know what to recover in a clean site.
We did a bit of a witch hunt to find out why the bit of paper was not there.&#160; It seems that the girl who managed the tapes was pulling out the piece of paper without ever asking why it was there.&#160; As she also managed the backups for the other systems, we also found that she had no idea of how to recover any of our systems which was her job. &#160;Needless to say she had a fruitful discussion with our manager about this but she decided that another place would suit her just fine.
I imagine backup solutions have come a long way since needing the bootstrap information to make sense of what was on the tape.&#160; I do wonder how many companies rely on green fields sites to do DR.&#160; I do know of one place that has a DR site but has nothing there to read the tapes&#8230;.
Stephen
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel,<br />
Great respect eh?&nbsp; I have&nbsp;a lot of respect for myself so does that mean you did it?&nbsp;<br />
But seriously, back in the days when I did my one and only backup work (about 1997), I was using Legato Networker and I used one DLT 4000 tape per day to backup my UNIX systems. &nbsp;As a precaution in case of needing to recover the data in a DR situation, I used to print off the bootstrap information and put it with the tape inside the case.&nbsp; This tape was given to our data management person who managed the other tapes for things like Windows, etc.&nbsp;<br />
I was working for a very large and successful stock broking firm at that time and the data was needless to say very important.&nbsp; So, as we spent a lot of money on our DR solution, we decided to test it one day.&nbsp; We called back yesterdays tape and I started building the fresh DR system which meant installing Networker.&nbsp; Our DR site was an outsourced green fields site with nothing on the systems. I got the tape and there was no paper inside the cover.&nbsp; This made it difficult to know what to recover in a clean site.<br />
We did a bit of a witch hunt to find out why the bit of paper was not there.&nbsp; It seems that the girl who managed the tapes was pulling out the piece of paper without ever asking why it was there.&nbsp; As she also managed the backups for the other systems, we also found that she had no idea of how to recover any of our systems which was her job. &nbsp;Needless to say she had a fruitful discussion with our manager about this but she decided that another place would suit her just fine.<br />
I imagine backup solutions have come a long way since needing the bootstrap information to make sense of what was on the tape.&nbsp; I do wonder how many companies rely on green fields sites to do DR.&nbsp; I do know of one place that has a DR site but has nothing there to read the tapes&hellip;.<br />
Stephen<br />
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