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		<title>Comment on Does it matter if Data Center kit looks sexy or not? by Michael Hay</title>
		<link>http://blog.nigelpoulton.com/does-it-matter-if-data-center-kit-looks-sexy-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-823</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 04:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nigel, I believe your response to Carli is spot on in that form and function are not mutually exclusive. &#160;However with all of the discourse associated to fancy bezels and designs I do want there to be some engineering and industrial design flavor brought to the conversation. &#160;When making buildings, very often architects create wild building designs only to have them knocked down by serious laws, like say gravity. &#160;It is then up to the engineers to make the work a reality that obeys the laws of physics, building codes, and still hits the designer&#039;s intention. &#160;In the same way various laws and tradeoffs need to be applied when designing equipment for the data center. &#160;For example I can remember a conversation with an engineer on shrinking a system&#039;s form factor by 1U. &#160;While possible the smaller form factor blew other design criteria such as the sound output power and the targeted operating temperature. &#160;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When it comes to industrial design arguably the leader today is Apple. &#160;Their design is minimalist, by intent, and they aggressively practice the art of removing things from their systems within a design and between designs. &#160;For example on their servers there aren&#039;t any bezels at all, their LEDs that signal things like their camera in operation disappear when the cameras aren&#039;t in use, etc. &#160;So for Apple their key design criteria, I think, is best summarized by making the functional elegant and integral to the form of the design, or said another way form follows function.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are also other complex issues that come into play, for example business intent and the message of the brand that you want convey for the long term -- like say for 100 years. &#160;Also in this era of increasing focus on sustainability having a brand that radiates persistence, arguably, may be more valuable -- this is my opinion. Another area of balance to focus on is beauty versus usability, where the sexiest design is not always the most usable. &#160;In fact as someone who is schooled in quantitative and qualitative usability testing sometimes it is an ugly design that is the most usable, which may seem counterintuitive. &#160;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So in conclusion, while I would like to see sexier things, it is necessary to strike a balance with engineering, industrial design and usability to achieve what is best for the end user.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel, I believe your response to Carli is spot on in that form and function are not mutually exclusive. &nbsp;However with all of the discourse associated to fancy bezels and designs I do want there to be some engineering and industrial design flavor brought to the conversation. &nbsp;When making buildings, very often architects create wild building designs only to have them knocked down by serious laws, like say gravity. &nbsp;It is then up to the engineers to make the work a reality that obeys the laws of physics, building codes, and still hits the designer&#39;s intention. &nbsp;In the same way various laws and tradeoffs need to be applied when designing equipment for the data center. &nbsp;For example I can remember a conversation with an engineer on shrinking a system&#39;s form factor by 1U. &nbsp;While possible the smaller form factor blew other design criteria such as the sound output power and the targeted operating temperature. &nbsp;</p>
<p>When it comes to industrial design arguably the leader today is Apple. &nbsp;Their design is minimalist, by intent, and they aggressively practice the art of removing things from their systems within a design and between designs. &nbsp;For example on their servers there aren&#39;t any bezels at all, their LEDs that signal things like their camera in operation disappear when the cameras aren&#39;t in use, etc. &nbsp;So for Apple their key design criteria, I think, is best summarized by making the functional elegant and integral to the form of the design, or said another way form follows function.</p>
<p>There are also other complex issues that come into play, for example business intent and the message of the brand that you want convey for the long term &#8212; like say for 100 years. &nbsp;Also in this era of increasing focus on sustainability having a brand that radiates persistence, arguably, may be more valuable &#8212; this is my opinion. Another area of balance to focus on is beauty versus usability, where the sexiest design is not always the most usable. &nbsp;In fact as someone who is schooled in quantitative and qualitative usability testing sometimes it is an ugly design that is the most usable, which may seem counterintuitive. &nbsp;</p>
<p>So in conclusion, while I would like to see sexier things, it is necessary to strike a balance with engineering, industrial design and usability to achieve what is best for the end user.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does it matter if Data Center kit looks sexy or not? by Nigel</title>
		<link>http://blog.nigelpoulton.com/does-it-matter-if-data-center-kit-looks-sexy-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Carli&lt;br /&gt;
	&lt;br /&gt;
	Thanks for your comments.&lt;br /&gt;
	&lt;br /&gt;
	But why settle for one or the other when both (form AND function) are easily achievable!?&lt;br /&gt;
	&lt;br /&gt;
	Nigel&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carli</p>
<p>	Thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>	But why settle for one or the other when both (form AND function) are easily achievable!?</p>
<p>	Nigel</p>
<p>	&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does it matter if Data Center kit looks sexy or not? by The Ghelfster</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ghelfster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While I might not be a techie (is it that obvious?), I tend to sway more towards function over form. However, if I were a techie, I would then likely be someone who does care what it looks like. An analogy, if you will: I love cars. With cars, it is not just about how it performs (even though a solid car that won&#039;t break down on me is important) but it is also how it looks. Yet when I pack my family in the car for a 10 hour trip -- performance and safety win out.&#160;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you&#039;re concerned about your data, and making sure it&#039;s highly available, secure and the system won&#039;t break down - who would you trust with your data? &#160;The system that looks good but runs terribly, has too much down time or down-right fails, or the reliable, secure and available one? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just some food for thought.&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I might not be a techie (is it that obvious?), I tend to sway more towards function over form. However, if I were a techie, I would then likely be someone who does care what it looks like. An analogy, if you will: I love cars. With cars, it is not just about how it performs (even though a solid car that won&#39;t break down on me is important) but it is also how it looks. Yet when I pack my family in the car for a 10 hour trip &#8212; performance and safety win out.&nbsp;</p>
<p>If you&#39;re concerned about your data, and making sure it&#39;s highly available, secure and the system won&#39;t break down &#8211; who would you trust with your data? &nbsp;The system that looks good but runs terribly, has too much down time or down-right fails, or the reliable, secure and available one? </p>
<p>Just some food for thought.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Comment on VMware: Top of todays requirements list by Nigel Poulton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Poulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Thanks for your comments and I totally agree.  I suppose my comments should have been more along the lines of &quot;when announcing new products and rev&#039;s of existing products......&quot;.  Key is that when making announcements focus should be less on improved feeds and speeds improvements and more on integration with products and services higher up the stack.

Thanks for your comments.

Fatima,

I think we&#039;re on the same page. Integration higher layers in the stack is the key, Im just suggesting that VMware seems to have the momentum at the moment. 

I also agree that the vendors ignore the other hypervisors at their own peril. Personally I can only see the other hypervisors start to catch-up with VMware (Hyper-V especiallly).

Nigel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments and I totally agree.  I suppose my comments should have been more along the lines of &#8220;when announcing new products and rev&#8217;s of existing products&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;.  Key is that when making announcements focus should be less on improved feeds and speeds improvements and more on integration with products and services higher up the stack.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>Fatima,</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re on the same page. Integration higher layers in the stack is the key, Im just suggesting that VMware seems to have the momentum at the moment. </p>
<p>I also agree that the vendors ignore the other hypervisors at their own peril. Personally I can only see the other hypervisors start to catch-up with VMware (Hyper-V especiallly).</p>
<p>Nigel</p>
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		<title>Comment on VMware: Top of todays requirements list by Fatima Stoneknuckle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fatima Stoneknuckle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good points Nigel.&#160; Indeed, storage vendors should, and have always needed to, keep their eye on the portions of the IT stack above them, especially those with momentum.&#160; To round out the perspective, however, would be the point that&#160;there are significant numbers of&#160;IT customers who are leary of VMware hegemony and pricing, and of becoming too dependent upon them.&#160; As such, they are cautious about adopting any or too many&#160;of VMware&#039;s SW functionality&#160;outside of the hypervisor level where VMware has taken on management functions.&#160;&#160; And, they may very well seek to diversify at the hypervisor level as well, by adopting Xen, Hyper-V, or KVM in some environments.&#160;&#160; This only suggests that storage vendors cannot afford to&#160;neglect these other virtualization platforms&#160;either.&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Nigel.&nbsp; Indeed, storage vendors should, and have always needed to, keep their eye on the portions of the IT stack above them, especially those with momentum.&nbsp; To round out the perspective, however, would be the point that&nbsp;there are significant numbers of&nbsp;IT customers who are leary of VMware hegemony and pricing, and of becoming too dependent upon them.&nbsp; As such, they are cautious about adopting any or too many&nbsp;of VMware&#39;s SW functionality&nbsp;outside of the hypervisor level where VMware has taken on management functions.&nbsp;&nbsp; And, they may very well seek to diversify at the hypervisor level as well, by adopting Xen, Hyper-V, or KVM in some environments.&nbsp;&nbsp; This only suggests that storage vendors cannot afford to&nbsp;neglect these other virtualization platforms&nbsp;either.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does it matter if Data Center kit looks sexy or not? by V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree on the one hand it should look cool - it&#039;s not as if you&#039;ve paid for a ferrari and ended up with with a lada now is it ? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If it looks cool then it should also give the person who is showing it off - be that a dc manager / techie or a mkg geek (pun intended) something to help them do their job. I&#039;ve worked in the past for a vendor who&#039;s lights on the front actually sold more kit - those lights told you how the box was performing - and yeah they went red when it was .. in need of help.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It looked cool, sold more and helped when you needed confirmation - a bit of design thought and ... &lt;em&gt;spark&lt;/em&gt; could act as a visual catalyst&#160; to any well designed storage &quot;box&quot;...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(btw:&#160; &lt;strong&gt;badges&lt;/strong&gt; from those said boxes are now&#160; sought after ;) )&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on the one hand it should look cool &#8211; it&#39;s not as if you&#39;ve paid for a ferrari and ended up with with a lada now is it ? </p>
<p>If it looks cool then it should also give the person who is showing it off &#8211; be that a dc manager / techie or a mkg geek (pun intended) something to help them do their job. I&#39;ve worked in the past for a vendor who&#39;s lights on the front actually sold more kit &#8211; those lights told you how the box was performing &#8211; and yeah they went red when it was .. in need of help.</p>
<p>It looked cool, sold more and helped when you needed confirmation &#8211; a bit of design thought and &#8230; <em>spark</em> could act as a visual catalyst&nbsp; to any well designed storage &quot;box&quot;&#8230;</p>
<p>(btw:&nbsp; <strong>badges</strong> from those said boxes are now&nbsp; sought after <img src='http://blog.nigelpoulton.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<dc:creator>Hitachi Data Systems (HDS), the super secret technology company &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has a ton of datacenter products, as Nigel Poulton points out in one of his Blog post about Hitachi Networking, some of these products are so successful in the Japanese market, but never even make it to the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on VMware: Top of todays requirements list by John Troyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Troyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One good thing is that VAAI integration is, for most vendors, a firmware upgrade. Let&#039;s not trivialize the effort required to implement the new software, but it does mean that integration can be delivered in a mortal timeframe and can often work with the current generation of gear.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One good thing is that VAAI integration is, for most vendors, a firmware upgrade. Let&#39;s not trivialize the effort required to implement the new software, but it does mean that integration can be delivered in a mortal timeframe and can often work with the current generation of gear.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does it matter if Data Center kit looks sexy or not? by Nigel Poulton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Poulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for chiming in.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Techmute. I appreciate that its not the most important thing about an array. My point is that its a quick and easy win.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Matthew, thanks for pointing out the link to the skins- top quality!&#160; Also thanks for pointing out that these discussions are happening elsewhere.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nigel&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for chiming in.</p>
<p>Techmute. I appreciate that its not the most important thing about an array. My point is that its a quick and easy win.</p>
<p>Matthew, thanks for pointing out the link to the skins- top quality!&nbsp; Also thanks for pointing out that these discussions are happening elsewhere.</p>
<p>Nigel</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does it matter if Data Center kit looks sexy or not? by the storage anarchist</title>
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		<dc:creator>the storage anarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Point taken, TechMute.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the two aren&#039;t necessarily mutually exclusive. We try to keep the cabinet design folks from writing software. And the marketing folks, for that matter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The systems need a door, so its not a big expense to make it attractive. And indeed, the block gloss on the VMAX door was inspired by the polished look and feel of common handheld devices...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken, TechMute.</p>
<p>But the two aren&#39;t necessarily mutually exclusive. We try to keep the cabinet design folks from writing software. And the marketing folks, for that matter.</p>
<p>The systems need a door, so its not a big expense to make it attractive. And indeed, the block gloss on the VMAX door was inspired by the polished look and feel of common handheld devices&#8230;</p>
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